Most decent Muslims would never do such a thing, but there are many misguided people who do. He said, "My people, just think: if I did have clear proof from my Lord, and if He had given me mercy of His own, who could protect me from God if I disobeyed Him? The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. They were often stronger than you in signs or athar left behind has been oft repeated. Khawiya seems to mean destroyed/overturned but the term could possibly mean ruined too. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. The same can be said about 7:84 where Allah SWT is telling us to SEE the end of Sodom and Gomorrah. As Dost aptly observes, thedescription [of Aad and Thamud] in the Qurn is the sum of historical memory and topographical observations modeled on the familiar configuration of perished peoples, (This is part of series on Arabia. If accurate, the Prophet Salih (s) would have lived many generations and perhaps centuries before Moses. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. (9:70) Have they not heard the accounts of those who came before them [77] - of the people of Noah and 'Ad and Thamud, and the people of Abraham and the dwellers of Madyan (Midian), and the cities that were overturned? The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). These verses can be found in multiple books, we will focus on Obadiah and Jeremiah. Allah knows best if that really happened (this event is not mentioned in the Quran or Sunnah.). Does 22:45 say thamud castles and palaces are empty in the present tense with the well or is this verse talking about something else, 13. Did the Prophet try to execute a man without proof? The Quran does not make any claim about the historicity of specific sites, but rather enjoins the believers to reflect upon the many ruins of idolatrous societies throughout Arabia as a lesson in the futility of disobedience to Allah. However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). Thus, we can say that perhaps this ones were the Nabataeans. The Thamud (Arabic: , romanized:amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation[1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. Secondly, 15:81 makes it clear that they denied a Messenger sent to them and were destroyed as a consequence. I look forward to your response my dear brother. Allah sent a powerful windstorm to the Aad that destroyed them and left them sprawled and mangled in their homes. But as a sign of their wickedness, they killed her. and make your nest among the stars, 63-65. Obadiah 1:3 [34][35] Tribalism is a significant characteristic of Arab population in Khuzestan.[36]. Another inscription from the same temple mentions Aad by name, and reads, by Ghawth son of Aslah son of Thokam and he constructed the temple of Allt, of the people of Ad. However, there survived long after that, people who still called themselves Thamd. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. Instead, the camel is killed by a certain "accursed Amar", and the camel's foal stands upon a rock and curses Thamud, leading to the tribe's annihilation except for a single lame woman who is spared to spread the message of the destruction. [27], The migration of Arab tribes to Mesopotamia began in the seventh century, and by the late 20th century constituted about three quarters of the population of Iraq. p.190. Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? After all, camels were and still are pretty common in that part of the world. [Quran 27:45]. Also sorry with wadi alQura where is that place because you mention in your article that is the place and it is different but where is it in saudia Arabia like how far from madain saleh and where is it near because they dont show it on the maps, 4. Asalam Alie Kum [27:49]. The Aad and the Thamud are two nations mentioned several times in the Quran. Also two Saheeh reports are contradicting each other: One the one hand, they are resting at al Hijr, while on the other hand it is said that they didnt rest at all and kept riding away faster from Hijr. Some Muslims have mistakenly equated sites such as these with the first Thamud of the Quran, but it is believed by archaeologists that a different group of people called the Nabataeans, in fact, built some of these sites. It must also be kept in mind that not all of the structures have been found as of yet. Tribes originating in the Arabian Peninsula. Or just left a lot of material in the land 7. From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. Thanks for the article and yea I see no problem. the nation of Shuayb (as) is mentioned (78-79). Thereupon Allahs Messenger () commanded that the water collected for drinking should be spilt and the flour should be given to the camels and commanded them that the water for drinking should be taken from that well where the she-camel used to come. The terror you inspire And Ad and Thamud as has been made clear from their dwellings. But the fact that they spitefully killed an animal that had done them no harm and for no good reason is proof and a sign of their evil. And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.Chapter 26, Verse 130. 5. And remember when He made you successors after the Aad and settled you in the land, [and] you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. In addition to building gigantic structures, the Aad were also conquerors. http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/. Who can bring me down to the ground? So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. Its like me living in a house, then someone tears it down and then builds another house and says Abdullah used to live in that house while the fact is that I did not. [20] The Arabs of the caliphate accommodated many new tribes in isolated areas to avoid conflict with the locals; caliph Uthman ordered his governor, Muawiyah I, to settle the new tribes away from the original population. Assalam alikum forget the rest of what Ive put down but I was just wondering does 36:41 prove that every one on the earth comes from the people of tge ark if yes then how does that work because people could still see thamud dwellings so that means they could only come thousands of years of go but we know noah had to come near them but we know humans have been here at least 40 thousand bc so how do we explain this, Assalam alikum thanks for the answers but thamud had to be destroyed no lesser than 3000 bc not 800 bc jazzakallah because thamud came before Abraham jazzakallah but thanks, Also if the quran says the area is wadi al qura then madian al saleh is not wadi al qura jazzakallah but thanks, But of course in there empire day they would of probably built in wadi al qura and al ula and madian al saleh and else where in there area because they would of had a large population any where between 20 thousand to 50 thousand people because mekkah and median together came to 20-40 thousand people in the prophets day and 40:21 says these people were more in population so they had to be more than mekkah and median, Assalam alikum also dies 7:74 mean that Thamud were the descendents of ad or not or were they they descendents of ad jazzakallah. Thamd, li, al-ijr, Gods She-camel, Arabia and the Arabs by Robert Hoyland, Professor of Late Antique and Early Islamic Middle Eastern History at New York Universitys Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, pg 68. In fact they were pretty snarky in their responses. Suppose if Nuh ( ) came 40,000 years ago or even 100,000 years ago and the few hundred or a few thousand people were destroyed by the flood, then it would not be difficult to believe that human population reached in millions, further subdividing into nations, communities, and tribes, after thousands of years. This genealogical relationship is further reflected in the theory . So what we see are Hellenistic structures built by Midianites taken over from the Thamud. They were craftsmen. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. : | _ books. 9. Witch of these sound more like what the verse is meaning, 5. The Arabs then could see Thamud dwellings but we today cannot. As for now, we dont know. They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. We find ruins of so many past civilisations such as Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and so on. [17], Thamud is mentioned twenty-three times in the Quran as part of a moralistic lesson about God's destruction of sinful nations, a central motif in the Quran. Like Petra, much of the ruins are still hidden, we cant make absolute conclusions unless and until we have access to all of the monuments, tombs, structures, which are still hidden. Finally, we should understand that Allah has no problem replacing one people with another. [5] This entire passage has been sent by Waqar. Hence, they didnt engage in long, drawn out debates with Hud. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . 13. [25], Some Islamic sources claim that the Banu Thaqif tribe, an Arab tribe from Ta'if in the period of Muhammad, was descended from a survivor of the Thamud (sometimes a slave of Salih). Do not enter the dwellings of those who wronged themselves unless you are weeping, lest you be afflicted with the likes of what afflicted them. But despite all of this advice, the Aad rejected their brother Hud. They very well could be the predecessors of the Edomites as they lived around the same area, and according to the Bible, they practiced the tradition of carving dwellings into the rocks. It doesnt speak about being touched or untouched. They mistreated the lower classes and worshiped others besides Allah. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? Suhih Bukhari_ Book of _ Virues of Al-Quran : THE FIRST PILLAR OF ISLAM: THE MUSLIM PROFESSION O _ ( Istighfar & Tawbah Authentic Dua & Dhikr: What Is the Status of Women in Islam? Take your time and let it sink in: 1. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. (2). This is the she-camel of Allah [sent] to you as a sign. Further confirmation of their service under the Romans, comes via a late 4th (or early 5th century) military document Notitia Dignitatum, which clealy mentions two cavalry units of Thamud, one serving in Egypt and the other in Palestine. Ok thanks jazzakkallah last questions and ill leave it at that what do you mean not on the surface and is 89:9 saying the Arabs could still see those buildings because it says (the rocks it uses al the why not just say rocks and what does it mean by rocks does it mean houses or mountains thanks Theyre mentioned in 25:38 and 50:12. ___ : __ >> :____ Fatwa __ . I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. This shouldnt be surprising as the Quraish, and in fact most faiths, do the same thing. [29] The second Arab tribal migration to northern Mesopotamia was in the 10th century when the Banu Numayr migrated there. Then, it was not Allah Who caused them any wrong; they . But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. The expedition of Tabuk does identify the dwellings and ruins of a destroyed nation of Thamud and this area is between Madeenah and Shaam/Syria. There has come to you clear evidence from your Lord. Dealing with faith-related doubts in Islam. Will you forbid us to worship what our fathers worshiped? The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. Al-Arab al-Ba'ida (Arabic: ), "The Extinct Arabs", were an ancient group of tribes of prehistory that included the 'd, the Thamud, the Tasm, the Jadis, the Imlaq (who included branches of Banu al-Samayda), and others. And indeed we do, but with an unexpected twist! The Thamud demanded and received a sign from Allah. Verses 15:80-83describe its inhabitants as carving their homes out of mountains and being decimated by a loud shriek characteristics ascribed by the Quran elsewhere to the people of Thamud2. According to Saudi-archeology website, an academic website aimed at archiving the rock images and providing archeological information on them, the structure may have been used for holding sacred feasts. We have a good perspective of the size of these supposed tombs in this picture, as the faade has been destroyed. But the Thamud cut its hamstring or otherwise wounded it. Numerous rock writings and pictures traditionally attributed to the Thamd have been found on Mount Athlab and throughout central Arabia; though labeled Thamdic, they actually reflect a diverse set of ancient Semitic dialects used by various Arabian tribes. Firstly, Ashab al-Hijr seem to be Thamud (15:80-85) because although this is the only time they are called this name, commentators unanimously agree that they are Thamud. Are Hadiths Anti-Semitic? He said, O my people, worship Allah; you have no deity other than Him. "[22] The stone constructions of Hegra are actually mostly from the Nabataean period, especially the first century CE. As such, missionaries and polemicists have claimed that the mistakes of Muslim folklore, or contradictory applications of the name Thamud to archaeological discoveries, suggest an historical mistake in the Quran. The absence of evidence here is no evidence of absence. And when they did that, Allahs wrath came on them. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. (Quran 16:36). He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. What? We have heard a message from the LORD: I dont understand this question and how it is relevant to our topic at hand. from there I will bring you down, Although the Thamud probably originated in southern Arabia, a large group apparently moved northward at an early date, traditionally settling on the slopes of Mount Athlab. You mentioned that there are many house-like structures in the valley today, so perhaps they are one of those. Salam. And you said the nabteons built over them so if they built over them all then how could the prophet see them or the quran describe them when they were built over by them and by the time the prophet came because the nabateans came before jazzakkallah, But these are the last 5 questions and thats it sorry to keep bothering you it is that Im getting all the information I can so if Im ever questioned then I can answer them jazzakkallah, Sorry just 2 more but thats it most of these questions are yes or no It is possible that the dwelling areas are no longer visible in the last 1400 years as these are just small rooms and tombs with no space inside. Regardless, the thamud tribes structures remained for people to see according to Quran. Amend their accusation to now include the Bible also. Some have shelves carved into the rock; one has a large room, possibly big enough to house a council. Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. [4] This entire passage has been sent by Sharif. They also earned income by transporting goods and people in caravans pulled by domesticated camels across the desert. Hud was from among the Aad himself, as Allah mentions in the Quran: Aad denied the Messengers when their brother Hud said to them: Will you not fear Allah?Chapter 26, Verses 124 125. These people were very wealthy and wielded great power. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Al-Bu, Albu, Banu. The above article contained links to images which do not show up in here after I copied and pasted them from my ms word. The tribes of Ad and Thamud were ancient people who existed on the Arabian Peninsula many centuries ago and were recipients of the Prophets Hud and Salih, respectively. Qur'an and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings Abu Rahma / March 22, 2016 It is argued that the Qur'an and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts [1]. This structure is not only large enough to house several individuals, but contains benches which suggests that it served some social function, hence it can qualify to be called a place of dwelling. On the first day, their skin would turn yellow; on the second day, red; and on the final day of destruction, black. Yes, the Thamd denied their Lordso away with the Thamd! However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. . Why? And indeed (their destruction) is clearly apparent to you from their (ruined) dwellings. Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger. The Qurn mentions the Thamd as examples of the transitoriness of worldly power. [16] Scarcity of water and of permanent pastoral land required them to move constantly. 12. Is their carved construction still there today? And they used to deny Our Ayat! They are aws and athiri in origin with element of arphaxad Follow the great majority of Muslims today? Thamud scripts and finds are noted in the area as well as possible signs of the ancient people before Thamud. Doesnt matter if they were destroyed before or after Ibn Kathir and the land is not in Yemen. Then, his progeny, and his people, came to be known by the name of ` Ad. Certain objections can and may arise with the above narrative. This is an odd conclusion. As Suleyman Dost observes, The Qurns reference to rock-cut dwellings fits the picture perfectly with the exception that these carved niches do not seem to have functioned as living areas3, Returning to textual references, Diodorus, a Greek historian writing in the first century BC, mentions a group called Thamoudnoi in North-Western Arabia4. Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. Syed Suleman Nadvi discusses this in Tarikh Ard al-Quran vol.2. The Quran itself says that the dwellings of Thamud were khawiyatan during the time of the Qurans revelation. If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. But they hamstrung it, so he said, "Enjoy life for another three days: this warning will not prove false." After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. Look, it doesnt matter if you warn us or dont warn us, were not going to listen to you. The tribe refused to heed him, saying that Salih was merely a mortal, and demanded a sign from God. By declining the noun Thamud or not, it means the region or the tribe. They were scientists and technicians and craftsmen, so they wanted conclusive proof. Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). As menitoned earlier, the Aad were a strong, brutish, and conquering people. We have no concrete evidence that Nabateans were destroyed. [20] The traditional Muslim view is that the destruction of Thamud occurred before the prophethood of Abraham. 4. The Edomites and Thamud Yusuf Ali. Or is that verse just saying what they used to do in the vally They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. The Edomites can also be a separate nation and through the passage time they shared history, tradition, and custom with the remnants of the Thamud. due to the belief as mentioned in the Quran that warners were sent to all Nations. Previous ones may have fallen and replaced by Nabateans but during the time of the Prophet (), there did remain buildings of Thamud and who knows, they might still be there today but undiscovered by archaeologists. Salamun alaikum, you who live in the clefts of the rocks, Dont ever think youre indespensible. [25] The Arab tribes of Maqil migrated to the Maghreb a century later and even immigrated southwards to Mauritania. It would be unsurprising then, to find them in the archaeological/literary records related to ancient Arabia. Other ahadith mention that this was the land of Thamud ie. And it is We who were the inheritors. Yet as we have seen, the Quran does not claim any of these specific sites belong to the ancient tribe of Thamud per se. Compounding the confusion is the fact that the tribal name Thamud is applied today to a broad section of different peoples throughout history, not only to those mentioned in the Quran. [5] In 1846, many Arab Rashaida migrated from Hejaz in present-day Saudi Arabia into what is now Eritrea and north-east Sudan after tribal warfare had broken out in their homeland. The coloring of (sedentary culture) established itself firmly. And perhaps, using the knowledge, culture, and technology from the Aad, they established a new society. their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. In fact, they are no recognised as Nabatean tombs, resembling the earlier more primitive ones among those to be seen at Petra in present day Jordan, not the late elaborately carved Greco-Roman facades. I dont know and this is a good aspect of the Quran; it does not go into such things and instead instructs us to focus on the message and not the nitty gritty. Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, [9] The Thamd also joined the Roman armies as auxiliaries, and the Notitia Dignitatum mentions two units of Thamd warriors serving the Roman Empire, one in Egypt and the other in Palestine.[10]. This individual was probably a merchant or official in service of the Babylonian court. The Arabs on the Iranian side of the Gulf tend to speak a dialect much closer to Gulf Arabic opposed to the Khuzestani Arabic which is closer to Iraqi Arabic. what enemy, ever so warlike and powerful, will venture to invade my land, or besiege me in my strong hold? Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them What we do know is that the Nabateans lived a nomadic life style. 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