Upon exiting the elevator, he saw a short hallway. Mr. CORNWELL - At what point in time did your discussions outside of the Agency first become a matter of publication in a newspaper or magazine or on television? While working as a journalist in Dallas, Tx. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And finally, as I said at the beginning is it fair to say that you are here voluntarily today? In 1999, a friend and fellow researcher named Steve Gaal discovered among the listings of the JFK assassination section of the National Archives website a notice of a letter written by a Mr. Glaze to the HSCA. For example, Joes father had to clear visitors with Roy Truly, the building manager, even though they were top executives from the company headquarters in Chicago. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have any explanation for why none of these people have come forward with this story? G. Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel and Director. ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY . [3], Actually, the move took place a few months before the assassination. I was on the executive committee along with doctors and lawyers and some of the most respected people in the community. I have entered other webs, but this one is different because the spider leaves the web and stalks its preysometimes for many years. Please excuse this messy letter. 359-360, 386-387. Yet the mere existence of oversized boxes on the premises does not constitute proof of ongoing illegal activities. Obviously, my handwriting has long been broken down. We appreciate your being here today, Mr. Wilcott. My testimony included numerous meetings with a man named Bill Shelly (I am no longer certain of the correct spelling of his last name.) Below is an obituary from the Austin American-Statesman published on Dec. 15, 2019. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Who was George Breen? This employee said that fellow employees were subjected to similar job interviews by government agents. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why has it been difficult? Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. Mr. CORNWELL - Did they tell you whether or not you passed the polygraphs? Below is Mr. Glazes letter: House of Re. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And are you saying then that you attempted to investigate this allegation? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember the name of this Case Officer? Through another researcher, I obtained Glazes mailing address. Supposedly, he fell asleep at the wheel, or committed suicide, when he rammed into the back of a semi-truck. ", and things like that. Please try again. Mr. CORNWELL - What, if any, investigation did the Agency do with respect to that? Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct, sir. Mr. CORNWELL - Is that the only reason? The book depository was in a seven-story, red brick building located at 411 Elm Street. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, you indicated that after receiving this information concerning Oswald's cryptonym, you went back to check some files, is that correct? Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, it is your testimony that, once you left the XXXXXXXX station, people, both at headquarters, in Langley, and at the Miami Station, made references to Oswald being an agent, is that correct? Mr. CORNWELL - Did any event cause any disagreement between you and the Agency? One day Frank O'Connor, the director of the program, called me into his office and he said that he had had a discussion with the public safety commissioner and that the public safety commissioner told him that my phone was bugged, that my house was under surveillance and that a Federal indictment was coming down on me at any time, that he had talked to the mayor and the mayor decided not to fire me but asked me to sign a resignation form which he would date the day previous to the date that the Federal indictment came down. [7] Through some insider intrigue, a saleslady at Neiman Marcus found out what Jacqueline Kennedy was going to wear the day of her arrival in Dallas. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you prepare such a list? In my letter to him, I praised him for his courage and expressed the hope that someday he might fill in the gaps of his story for the sake of history. I believe it was more in a speculative realm. Wilcott lost a good job after leaving the CIA after his employer was told he would soon be under incitement when he wasnt and never was. Joe was unable to determine if the arson was assassination-related. John F. Kennedy Subcommittee Mr. CORNWELL - All you can recall is that, when you. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Is the answer to that "yes"? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why did you go back to look at the book? Walther was sure they were not as high as the sixth floor. All visits to the building must be strictly business-related. He was sickly looking, and, like his father, had lost weight. The mayor, Mr. Sawyer, was Dominic Casaro. James B. Wilcott was a CIA accountant who disbursed CIA station funds in Tokyo, Japan. Mr. SAWYER - Well, what were your antiwar activities that you refer to? Mr. CORNWELL - The cryptonym -- did you write it down at any point? She said that she had been in the personnel department since 1982, and she never knew anyone by that name. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't confirm any of them except with the community renewal program as coming from there and I am. Jack Cason, the TSBD president, was a stocky, robust man before the assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - None initially. Since then, he has written numerous articles on the subject for various periodicals, including The Fourth Decade, Dealey Plaza Echo, and Probe. [22] And this likely included coaxing Shelly and Lovelady into making an ersatz trip across the street to the railroad yards before their return to the TSBD, which is now when they said they saw Styles and Adams. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Answer "yes" or "no" for the recorder. I asked Mr. Peets if he knew of any member of the band who disappeared in Dallas in the mid-1970s. I was scared until the Carter Administration. He also claimed he had disbursed cash funds for Oswald or The Oswald Project. After his interview and testimony he was claims he was harassed by the federal government and put under surveillance. Finally, under threats and intense harassment from Dallas Police, I was forced to flee Dallas in early 1975. New York, 1989) p. 319. Mr. WILCOTT - I am sorry? Can you recall whether the tone of it was rumor or shop talk or was the tone of it that "this is true"? Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. She & her husband left Dallas shortly afterward. Mr. WILCOTT - In conversation. Had the seemingly insignificant trail of bread crumbs I stumbled across had not been so he avidly guarded, I might never have given it a second thought. Jerry Fox, SR Branch, Soviet Russia Branch -- My actions were less courageous than they were the result of being nave. Needless to say, she never did wear that dress. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would those summaries be destroyed as a matter of routine, to your knowledge? Mr. WILCOTT - No. As Rose points out, this is a bit odd also, since most of the building witnesses were taken to the sheriffs office, which was much closer to the TSBD than police headquarters. Last modified on Sunday, 10 November 2019 23:45, The JFK Assassination Decoded: Two Reviews, Malcolm X's Family to File $100 Million Wrongful Death Lawsuit, Alleging Cover-up of His Murder, A Personal Encounter with the Warren Commission, JFK Medical Betrayal: Where The Evidence Lies by Russell Kent, Whitney, the Ambassador, and Batista's Tax Break for Freeport Sulphur , The Wilcott Affidavit and Interrogation by the HSCA. The shot killed Dr. King. During a phone conversation, he told me that he had a letter that mentioned Shelley joining the CIA. [17] Joe Bergin, Sr. became a Texas Ranger in 1934, while serving concurrently as a school superintendent in Greenville, Texas. Mr. CORNWELL - On any other occasion? Mr. WILCOTT - I really don't know. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. Also puzzling is the manner by which they asked new employees point-blank if they were members of the CIA. Well, they would go through the files and take out anything that they thought was, say, indicative of how this flap occurred and change the files. [23] William Weston, Robert MacNeil and the Three Calm Men, in the November 1994 issue of The Fourth Decade. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, it never really came forward for you to go to the Warren Commission, did it? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, with the Agency, yes, sir. Did you contact any CIA officer or employee with respect to the secrecy oath and discuss with them whether or not you should be permitted to discuss these matters outside of the Agency? Mr. DODD - And your dissatisfaction with the Agency and with the course of American government preceded the actual assassination of President Kennedy? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you ever bring your allegation to the attention of anyone in the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know. (Whereupon, a brief recess was taken.) Mr. WILCOTT - I doubt it, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. the day we would list all of the advances that were made in an advance book. He was the mayor at that time. Instead, he might have been one of the temporary musicians. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And a copy of the relevant House Resolutions? He saw two white men sitting by the stairs. Apparently, security measures to keep people from talking continued even after they went into retirement or found other occupations. I have entered other webs, but this one is different because the spider leaves the web and stalks its preysometimes for many years.. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did this Case Officer tell you what Oswald's cryptonym was? I asked her if the new building was near the intersection of Royal Lane and Interstate 35, and she said yes, on Gemini Lane. Mr. DODD - I have just a couple of questions. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. CORNWELL - Why did you leave the CIA? [9] Carolyn Arnold statement in Byrd/TSBD Concerns posted by Martin Barkley on May 24, 2000 on the JFK Today website. Mr. SCHAAP - Mr. Chairman, I would like to interpose, I guess, an objection, although I would like to make it more in the nature of a request, that I have some problems in terms of advising my client with respect to possibly self incrimination, that I would not advise him to go into questions of his specific knowledge of the oath and the application to what he did other than the fact that he has told you, which is a fact, that he did sign the oath; but to, go into his mental processes as to whether he felt what he was then doing related to the oath in a particular way, I would request that those questions not be asked on the grounds that they may violate either his First Amendment rights or his Fifth Amendment rights, if that would be all right. Charles Givens, like Oswald, had left the building after the assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. After leaving high school he might have continued as an intelligence operative working undercover in local defense plants (plural) during the last months of the war. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. He also sent a copy of the letter from Blakey as well as a 1978 article from the Dallas Morning News concerning the aforementioned Carolyn Arnold, who states she definitely saw Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom at 12:25 pm. She told a reporter that the FBI falsified her statement to read that she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald on the first floor at 12:15.. Mr. SAWYER - What were some other instances? ALTERED! Mr. CORNWELL - Do you recall whether or not you used that in the process of looking through the 30-day book you described? John P. Horton, XXXXXXXXX Section; XXXXXXXXXXXXX Branch; and Chester Ito, XXXXXXXXX Branch; and Kan Takai, XXXXX Branch; and Jim Delaney, China Branch; and Bob Rentner, SR Branch -- and there is some question about that, the branch he was with. In addition, all of my interview notes and tapes inexplicably disappeared. And when did you begin to develop attitudes of dissatisfaction with the Agency and its reaction and attitudes toward what you described as undemocratic principles and a lack of humanism? One of the aforementioned employees (whose name I cannot recall) stated that when she went to work for Bill Shelly at the school book depository in the early 1970s she was interviewed for the job by some type of government agents who asked if she had been recruited by the F.B.I. (2009), James W. Douglass explains this in detail, including the James Wilcott story. [18], Less than a minute after the assassination, two Scott Foresman employees, Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles, who were on the fourth floor, ran down the stairs to the first floor. Mr. DODD - You may have covered this as well, Mr. Chairman, and, if you have, I will drop the question. It must have been puzzling to Glaze, as it is to us reading his letters, why a government agency would be providing security for a privately-owned company. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - Not directly, no, sir. Mr. CORNWELL - What type of people were they? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. The was that we did this was to contact as many people all at once and we figured this would be our best protection, that the more people that knew about it, the more protection it would, be for us. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he was. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, it is. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir, I did not. From January of 1965 to about March of 1965, I was at Langley in the same area, in finance, policing accounts and auditing of special accounts, and I was promoted up to GS-9. Just as in the case of Carolyn Arnold and Roy Truly, the strange menace that Glaze encountered in early 1975 continued to follow him through the course of his life. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Only of Case Officers. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. DODD - When you decided to release that information? Like Frazier, who was eating lunch in the basement, Oswald went to the first-floor lunchroom to eat his lunch. RX-ZIM. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And how did that come to your attention: I . Mr. GOLDSMITH - What is that opinion? Mr. WILCOTT - My wife and I came to believe that what CIA was doing couldn't be reconciled to basic principles of democracy or basic principles of humanism. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many people from the CIA did you speak to who speculated that Oswald was an agent? As mentioned, I was forced to flee Dallas until another day. The incident interested me enough to question the F.B.I. He was fortunate to have many travels, including celebration of his 60th birthday in Antarctica. He was still living on Tatum Avenue at the time of the assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I realize this is testimony 15 years after the fact. Mr. SCHAAP - Do you mean, how many people who were in the CIA or how many people in the general population? We are operating under House Resolution 222, which mandates the Committee to conduct a full and complete investigation and study of the circumstances surrounding the assassination and death of President John F. 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